For the lynchmob 'liberals,' Part II

[GetSmart]

As we learn more about the case, no charges is looking more and more like "justice," as the current law stands.

How much violence could have been avoided if "the Great Racial Brigade" had in fact refrained from all the race-baiting and threats? We've already seen a few beatings and arrests and we'll see more as the trial proceeds and Zimmerman likely walks. We may even see another Trayvon scenario play out. The protests have done nothing but waste money and time and deepen racial animosity. Just like they were likely designed to do.

exactly, how many innocent non connected people have been beaten or retaliated against when they had nothing to do with it?

[that one guy]

Trayvons death had no value

IMO it has already far exceeded any potential that his life ever had, even though the whole thing was built on a lie.

[that one guy]

Hmmm, "whassap" is one thing. But "hey, what are you doing around here?" is another...

Equally benign.

[that one guy]

They got Zimmerman off the streets and into hiding, so there's a plus.

GZ got No Limit Nigga off the streets for good though. GZ will at least be able to one day try and show his face in public.

[rook]

shppy, how is the race baiter doing in the hoods of Pinellas Park. Great sexist comment on Mon on the Bucs chat board. You went all Mad Men on her.

[that one guy]

Go swap out your kotex, rookie...you're dribbling all over the place.

[Stuka]

Zimmerman should have carried a bike on his rounds. Shoot the kid, toss the bike on the ground. "Punk stole my bike"

[larrd]

Zimmerman should have carried a bike on his rounds. Shoot the kid, toss the bike on the ground. "Punk stole my bike"

He could have also avoided calling the police beforehand. That's a fairly obvious step that most murderers take.

[that one guy]

Besides, Trayvon had most likely already gotten away with stealing GZ's bike. That skittles and iced tea money came from somewhere.

[Monica]

Of course not. My issue is with him being where he was, doing what he was doing, with a gun in the first place. IMO, a personality like Zimmerman, a do-gooder too stupid to make good decisions under duress, too cowardly to be able to walk around his neighborhood without an iron pacifier, and too zealous about "assholes getting away" when merely watching a black man (boy, whatever) looking at houses, is as dangerous to the residents as an actual burglar. And if you think that's hyperbole, let's compare the statistics of killings in that neighborhood over the last calendar year at the hands of burglars vs. neighborhood watch douchebags.



Plausible, yes. Probable? I dunno. We know nothing about Martin's state of mind that evening. We do know something about Zimmerman's. He was pissed off. Pissed off enough to talk about "assholes always getting away" when he was merely looking at a guy in a hoodie looking at houses. We don't know what happened during those last few minutes, but if we're going to apply probable motives based on known state of mind, it's far more likely that Zimmerman, dear sweet Georgie Zimmerman, is the one who snapped. Because he was already riled up before Martin ever did a goddam thing.

Well lets look back at the call to dispatch:

Zimmerman: Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got
something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is.
Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything ok
Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?
Dispatcher: Yeah we've got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does
anything else.
Zimmerman: Okay. These assholes they always get away. When you come to the
clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the
clubhouse.
Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?
Zimmerman: No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left…uh
you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. Shit he's running.
Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?
: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.
Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?
Zimmerman: The back entrance…fucking [unintelligible]
Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah
Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.
Zimmerman: Ok
Dispatcher: Alright sir what is your name?
Zimmerman: George…He ran.
Dispatcher: Alright George what's your last name?
Zimmerman: Zimmerman
Dispatcher: And George what's the phone number you're calling from?

<edited to skip routine info and ending with dispatch asking for his address to meet the police at>

Zimmerman: It’s a home it’s 1950, oh crap I don’t want to give it all out, I don’t know where this kid is.


sets up meeting info end of call.

So, the dispatcher tells him to let him know if he does anything else (twice), he says ok, then says he ran was asked which way and it was noted he lost sight of him. When asked it he was followin him prior to losing sight, he said yes, was told he didn't need to do that in which he responds ok and again, later on in the conversation makes if pretty clear he still doesn't have sight of him because he doesn't want to give out his info because he doesn't know where the kid's at.

I just don't find that to be some kind of stalking vigilante conversation, seems like a routine call to me. And for the sake of argument, if that was the last time he saw Martin until Martin attacked him, what do you really think Zimmerman is guilty of in that case?

And some more background info on Zimmerman since his character is being judged and scrutinized:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/87688384/Z...etter-to-NAACP

If true, again it sounds like a concerned citizen involved in his community and tries to do the right thing. I don't know why it has to be someone snapped necessarily. It could have just as easily been a teenager not liking some guy watching him and sneaking back around to confront him. We can all agree it wouldn't be the smartest thing to do to start a fight with a stranger not knowing if they were carrying or not, whether it be Zimmerman or Martin that started it right?

[larrd]

Sounds like Zimmerman was a selfless activist supporting the black community against injustice. It also sounds more and more like Trayvon snuck up on the guy and attacked him.

I'm glad I'm not waiting for our resident racebaiters to step up and apologize. I guess if they had any character they wouldn't be racebaiters in the first place.

[Monica]

Well there are a couple things I'm trying to verify, one is that DeeDee was uncooperative with the police and authorities and refused to give a sworn statement or even be interviewed with counsel present until the first week of April. Its already been established it was weeks after Martin's death the anyone in his family or their people even knew she had talked to him since she didn't come forward to them. That has always interested me because of the allegations of poor police work because if she wouldn't talk to them, that is a completely different view on that aspect.

The father stating he was home at 10:30 and it was cleared with no evidence of a crime has been refuted by live shots from the local news teams on the scene in which Trayvon's body was still there during some of them, but even at 11 pm there were police and lights all over the place as well as the reporters doing their live shots.

The voice analysis "experts" have serious credibility issues I guess. Need to find out more on that. I'm in shock they relied on the Orlando Sentinel in the prosecution's case because they had to admit they hadn't done it themselves on the stand but mentioned the Sentinal did.

The detective for the state under oath stated they have found no evidence to this point to dispute Zimmerman's account of what happened, people mentioning that the second ambulance was cancelled when one was on the scene and the fire dept paramedics treated Zimmerman so a second ambulance wasn't needed. I never understood the uproar over that anyway.

The timeline of the trip to 7-11 since it was pouring rain that evening, and just little things here and there thrown into the mix that don't make sense or have nothing to do with the incident anyway.

[that one guy]

Actually in context to me it reinforces the characterization of Zimmerman as a little dicked cop wannabe do gooder with a ridiculously unrealistic sense of what his role should be as a neighborhood watch hero-boy

No it doesn't. You're just lying.

[Christoph2060]

Sounds like Zimmerman was a selfless activist supporting the black community against injustice.

He's still an idiot. Fuck him.

[Chas]

Just as a note... the SYG defense would still potentially apply in Zimmerman's case even if he was the aggressor -- there is a provision for that in the law.

[Christoph2060]

Just as a note... the SYG defense would still potentially apply in Zimmerman's case even if he was the aggressor -- there is a provision for that in the law.

Yeah, we've documented that in a couple of the other strings as well.